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Gold Is Pumping, Bitcoin Is Next — Inside the Debasement Trade with James Check

Oct 17, 2025

Analyst James Check (Checkmate) joins to unpack the current state of bitcoin and gold markets, the impact of shifting liquidity conditions, the relevance of four-year cycles, the future of bitcoin treasury companies, and why understanding market structure, capital flows, and the debasement trade is key to anticipating bitcoin’s next major move.

The Last Trade: a weekly, bitcoin-native podcast covering the intersection of bitcoin, tech, & finance on a macro scale. Hosted by Jackson Mikalic, Michael Tanguma, & Brian Cubellis. Join us as we dive into what bitcoin means for how individuals & institutions save, invest, & propagate their purchasing power through time. It's not just another asset...in the digital age, it's The Last Trade that investors will ever need to make.

00:00 — Market Overview & Sentiment 03:39 — Are 4-Year Cycles Dead? 06:26 — Liquidity & Macro Regime 09:24 — Gold vs Bitcoin: Signals & Sovereign Bid 11:39 — Institutions vs Retail Demand 13:44 — Onchain: Retail, OG Supply, Smart Money 19:59 — Treasury Companies: MNAV, Risks, Reality 32:15 — Who Buys Next? ETFs, WM, Sovereigns 37:44 — Retail Reflexivity & Hardware Tell 41:42 — Real Inflation & BTC vs Traditional Assets 56:33 — BTC Dominance, Altcoins & Valuation 01:05:40 — Liquidations, Tokenomics & Value Capture 01:13:29 — Barbell: Gold + BTC, Cycles & Leverage 01:24:44 — Outro

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